If God Created The Universe, Then Who Created God?
Question: If God created the Universe, then who created God? I am confused being philosophically consistent and being very honest person I'm sure you can tell me where God came from? An addition, once you've told me where God comes from, please try to clarify how you can figure that a spiritual force can have an impact on a material universe to create it? If angels are made of "spiritual matter" and a pen is made of material matter and spiritual matter displaces no space, how many angels can dance on the tip of a pen?
Answer: Greetings to you in Jesus wonderful name!
You need to understand some basics that the God of the Bible is not affected by time, space and matter, that is why He transcends all of it as He lives in eternity. In other words, because God lived in eternity He could make time, space and matter to fall in line at same time during creation. In fact, if God is affected by time, space and matter then He is not God at all.
Here is what God said about Himself, "For thus says the High and Lofty One who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy." (Isa 57:15). Because God lives in eternity He could have the omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence to make the three dimension of time, space and matter to fall in place and work together all at the same time for His own pleasure of which we humans are the zenith of his creation (Isa 48:14).
If there were matter and time but no space, where would you put it?
If there were matter and space but no time, when would you put it?
If there were time and space but no matter, what would you put there?
You cannot have time, space or matter independently. They have to come in to existence simultaneously.
The Bible answers it all within ten words: "In the beginning (Time) God created the heavens (at least three heaven one above the other which is Space) and the earth (Matter)." (Gen 1:1).
In other words, because God "inhabits eternity", He chose a time, space and matter to fall inline at the same time in His mind which became the Universe that we live presently when He spoke everything in to existence.
So in time, space and matter God created Trinity of Trinities instantaneously, and yet if God who created them could not stay outside of this limited boundary of his creation, He could not create it all at the same time altogether. If He has been limited by time, space and matter factors, He could not remain as God.
For example, a man who created a computer has to independently exist as the creator outside of it, holding within him the creative ideas and the creative labor force and material to create it successfully, the creator cannot be a part of the same created machine He has created, in other words if He is limited to the creative measurement of space, time and matter or for that matter anything that has limitations, He cannot continue to exist as the independent Creator.
The God who has created the Universe is high and above the limitations of the entire universe, to exist above it, beyond it, in it and through it, and He remains unaffected by its change or limitations. So the spiritual force of God is unlimited and also creative at the same time, it is infinitely higher and more powerful than the physical matter which when divided in to the smallest unit by creative disintegration it again becomes in to the smallest form of atom which is invisible to the human eye but it is the smallest unit of a physical matter. God does teaches us great spiritual lessons first through physical things, so that we could reach out to the incomprehensible things of eternity and apprehend it all through our faith now to reach out to it after we enter the world to come under God after we die physically and rise up in a new metaphysical body to grasp eternal things with the understanding of the un-created God in heaven (1 Cor 15:46).
So what do we learn from this?
Our understanding regarding spiritual force is very limited because we cannot see it with our eyes. Just because we cannot see an atom does not mean that it is not present in any matter in the entire universe. But rather it is present everywhere in all the universe.
How could God create all to fall in line at the same time, there is only one possibility which the Bible describes as, "God who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did" (Rom 4:17), which conveys to us that God has the creative power to give life to the dead and also have the powerful spoken word which exerts its power to create something material out of nothing (Heb 11:3). In other words, God remains as God Almighty because He could create anything out of nothing.
Here below we see from the Scriptures how God claims that His spoken Word is the most powerful creative force to bring a Universe in to existence. God speaks and things come in to existence. God is a eternal force who is able to use all other forces of Himself in to the universe to make it fall in place to create something out of nothing and create further more unique and creative everything with what is already present to infuse his very own life to make living and human beings through the agency of His Spirit in all the earth, and place His creative power within in it to self-multiply and fill the earth with its own kind (Gen 1:26-31).
"So shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." (Isaiah 55:11).
"Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him." (Mark 11:23).
"But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”" (Matt 4:4).
If physical is more powerful than the immaterial things, then how about emotions, love, hatred, envy within the human brain that always rules over the tangible material earth and its surroundings?
This does give us a clear idea that the spiritual power is always more powerful than the physical one even though we are not able to see it all with our physical eyes, but with the spiritual eyes we will be able to see it through our heart when we are constantly in touch with the Creator of the Universe who become our "Father in Heaven" through believing Jesus Christ (Matt 6:9; 13:16; John 16:23, 26-27).
The tangible on earth exists to teach us more about the intangible of heaven and its spiritual force (John 3:1-11, 12, 13-15).
Our brain is not just a random collection of chemicals that are not formed by chance over billions of years, but rather have been created by God with limitation in our capacity to understand so that we might seek Him to know more and have more understanding and wisdom through fear of the Lord and knowledge of the Holy One (Prov 8; 9:10; Jam 1:5-8; 1 Kings 3:9-15). If the make up of our brain are just a random chance of collection of chemicals that came together by chance as some atheist and agnostic sometimes think, how on earth can we trust our own reasoning processes and thoughts that we think? So we cannot assume a tangible limited God at the size of our brain, and expect to understand the eternal infinite size of information from the intangible God to make us understand it to appease our own whims and fancies? We are subject to God's jurisdiction as the Creator of the Universe, He is not subjected to ours in order to expect Him to make us understand the intangible without seeking God who opens our eternal heart's eyes and ears within us to make us understand what it is through our heart, which can only give us the true understanding regarding eternity and the Creator God who lives in it (Eccl 3:11; Luke 10:23).
So the question where did God come from is assuming a limited God that has become a problem to understand the unlimited Creator God Almighty. The God I worship is infinitely bigger than my three pound brain and therefore is worthy of my worship and adoration.
As we have already discussed, the tangible and physical material universe is ruled by the intangible spiritual force of angels, and over the angels the sovereign God rules over all of the heavens and the earth (Heb 2:5; Job 1:6-7; Isa 57:15). There are great spiritual forces in rulership over the material world and Satan has been the pseudo ruler and captain to remain as the god of this world through his deceit and lies (Eph 6:11-12; 2 Cor 4:4; Eph 2:12; Luke 4:5-6; John 8:44).
To your question, 'If angels are made of "spiritual matter" and a pen is made of material matter, and spiritual matter displaces no space, how many angels can dance on the tip of a pen?'
First of all as I have told you, the spiritual world is more powerful than the physical world we humans live in (Mark 5:2-13). You cannot make an angel dance by your will, because God is the one who instructs all the angels of heaven (Psa 103:20-21). But we also have fallen angels who deceive people and promise them supernatural powers so that they could control the physical world (Rev 12:4), but sadly as the devil tempted Jesus to disobey the Creator God, it is a temptation for all humans to illegally use the agency of the fallen angels who are in rebellion with God the Creator and have them running around to fulfill their own will apart from Him. To take part in such occult activities like witch craft, speaking with the dead, seeing omens, consulting spiritists, hearing medium and soothsayers etc... are a abomination to the Lord God who has created us all humans especially His children whom He expects to obey Him willingly (Deut 18:9-14).
Therefore if ever a person makes angels to dance on a pen, any number of them can join in to not just stand on the pen tip but can choose to physically posses the one who will see the evil angels dance on the pen tip. Once the angels posses the person who has obeyed to its own whims and fancies of appeasement, lies and deceit, that person will slowly lose his own will to become the slaves of the evil spirit that will take control of his to make him become miserable enough to kill them physically. Should any human suffer like this just in order to satisfy the curiosity of the unknown to lose his life miserably unless and until he chooses to get saved by Jesus by asking Him genuinely and humbly accepting his mistake of indulging in the occult ["hidden, secret that are difficult to see"] medium in curiosity? No one should ever suffer evil curses that come through the occult medium, as Jesus Christ has died for them to save them from all deceit and lies of the evil angels and the curses that come when in contact with them (Gal 3:10, 13-14).
So I would rephrase the question in this way, should we want to know how many angels can dance on the tip of a pen and in fact receive curses for disobedience from God because of our curiosity to satisfy the mystery of the unknown? May it never be, we already have the curse of sin to fight against, why should we ever get caught unnecessarily in the trap of the curses for our disobedience against God's command which commands us not to be in touch with the evil angelic realm of the occult supernatural? Why to get caught in curses that we do not have power to get out of. Ignorance cannot be a bliss, because once the lies and deceit of bliss that evil angels promote is over, he or she has to pay for their own disobedience against God which will follow them in the form of curses in all realms of their life. Lord help us to do what pleases you and stay away from all that displeases you! Amen.
Hope you got the point and were prevented from losing your blessings that comes freely from God through His favor towards us and the lives of our family members.
Much Blessings...
Answer: Greetings to you in Jesus wonderful name!
You need to understand some basics that the God of the Bible is not affected by time, space and matter, that is why He transcends all of it as He lives in eternity. In other words, because God lived in eternity He could make time, space and matter to fall in line at same time during creation. In fact, if God is affected by time, space and matter then He is not God at all.
Here is what God said about Himself, "For thus says the High and Lofty One who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy." (Isa 57:15). Because God lives in eternity He could have the omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence to make the three dimension of time, space and matter to fall in place and work together all at the same time for His own pleasure of which we humans are the zenith of his creation (Isa 48:14).
If there were matter and space but no time, when would you put it?
If there were time and space but no matter, what would you put there?
You cannot have time, space or matter independently. They have to come in to existence simultaneously.
The Bible answers it all within ten words: "In the beginning (Time) God created the heavens (at least three heaven one above the other which is Space) and the earth (Matter)." (Gen 1:1).
In other words, because God "inhabits eternity", He chose a time, space and matter to fall inline at the same time in His mind which became the Universe that we live presently when He spoke everything in to existence.
So in time, space and matter God created Trinity of Trinities instantaneously, and yet if God who created them could not stay outside of this limited boundary of his creation, He could not create it all at the same time altogether. If He has been limited by time, space and matter factors, He could not remain as God.
For example, a man who created a computer has to independently exist as the creator outside of it, holding within him the creative ideas and the creative labor force and material to create it successfully, the creator cannot be a part of the same created machine He has created, in other words if He is limited to the creative measurement of space, time and matter or for that matter anything that has limitations, He cannot continue to exist as the independent Creator.
So what do we learn from this?
Our understanding regarding spiritual force is very limited because we cannot see it with our eyes. Just because we cannot see an atom does not mean that it is not present in any matter in the entire universe. But rather it is present everywhere in all the universe.
Something And Even Everything Out Of Nothing?
How could God create all to fall in line at the same time, there is only one possibility which the Bible describes as, "God who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did" (Rom 4:17), which conveys to us that God has the creative power to give life to the dead and also have the powerful spoken word which exerts its power to create something material out of nothing (Heb 11:3). In other words, God remains as God Almighty because He could create anything out of nothing.
Here below we see from the Scriptures how God claims that His spoken Word is the most powerful creative force to bring a Universe in to existence. God speaks and things come in to existence. God is a eternal force who is able to use all other forces of Himself in to the universe to make it fall in place to create something out of nothing and create further more unique and creative everything with what is already present to infuse his very own life to make living and human beings through the agency of His Spirit in all the earth, and place His creative power within in it to self-multiply and fill the earth with its own kind (Gen 1:26-31).
"So shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." (Isaiah 55:11).
"Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him." (Mark 11:23).
"But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”" (Matt 4:4).
How About The Intangible In the Tangible?
If physical is more powerful than the immaterial things, then how about emotions, love, hatred, envy within the human brain that always rules over the tangible material earth and its surroundings?
This does give us a clear idea that the spiritual power is always more powerful than the physical one even though we are not able to see it all with our physical eyes, but with the spiritual eyes we will be able to see it through our heart when we are constantly in touch with the Creator of the Universe who become our "Father in Heaven" through believing Jesus Christ (Matt 6:9; 13:16; John 16:23, 26-27).
The tangible on earth exists to teach us more about the intangible of heaven and its spiritual force (John 3:1-11, 12, 13-15).
Our brain is not just a random collection of chemicals that are not formed by chance over billions of years, but rather have been created by God with limitation in our capacity to understand so that we might seek Him to know more and have more understanding and wisdom through fear of the Lord and knowledge of the Holy One (Prov 8; 9:10; Jam 1:5-8; 1 Kings 3:9-15). If the make up of our brain are just a random chance of collection of chemicals that came together by chance as some atheist and agnostic sometimes think, how on earth can we trust our own reasoning processes and thoughts that we think? So we cannot assume a tangible limited God at the size of our brain, and expect to understand the eternal infinite size of information from the intangible God to make us understand it to appease our own whims and fancies? We are subject to God's jurisdiction as the Creator of the Universe, He is not subjected to ours in order to expect Him to make us understand the intangible without seeking God who opens our eternal heart's eyes and ears within us to make us understand what it is through our heart, which can only give us the true understanding regarding eternity and the Creator God who lives in it (Eccl 3:11; Luke 10:23).
So the question where did God come from is assuming a limited God that has become a problem to understand the unlimited Creator God Almighty. The God I worship is infinitely bigger than my three pound brain and therefore is worthy of my worship and adoration.
The Bigger Force Of Intangible Is Greater Than The Tangible Around?
As we have already discussed, the tangible and physical material universe is ruled by the intangible spiritual force of angels, and over the angels the sovereign God rules over all of the heavens and the earth (Heb 2:5; Job 1:6-7; Isa 57:15). There are great spiritual forces in rulership over the material world and Satan has been the pseudo ruler and captain to remain as the god of this world through his deceit and lies (Eph 6:11-12; 2 Cor 4:4; Eph 2:12; Luke 4:5-6; John 8:44).
To your question, 'If angels are made of "spiritual matter" and a pen is made of material matter, and spiritual matter displaces no space, how many angels can dance on the tip of a pen?'
First of all as I have told you, the spiritual world is more powerful than the physical world we humans live in (Mark 5:2-13). You cannot make an angel dance by your will, because God is the one who instructs all the angels of heaven (Psa 103:20-21). But we also have fallen angels who deceive people and promise them supernatural powers so that they could control the physical world (Rev 12:4), but sadly as the devil tempted Jesus to disobey the Creator God, it is a temptation for all humans to illegally use the agency of the fallen angels who are in rebellion with God the Creator and have them running around to fulfill their own will apart from Him. To take part in such occult activities like witch craft, speaking with the dead, seeing omens, consulting spiritists, hearing medium and soothsayers etc... are a abomination to the Lord God who has created us all humans especially His children whom He expects to obey Him willingly (Deut 18:9-14).
Therefore if ever a person makes angels to dance on a pen, any number of them can join in to not just stand on the pen tip but can choose to physically posses the one who will see the evil angels dance on the pen tip. Once the angels posses the person who has obeyed to its own whims and fancies of appeasement, lies and deceit, that person will slowly lose his own will to become the slaves of the evil spirit that will take control of his to make him become miserable enough to kill them physically. Should any human suffer like this just in order to satisfy the curiosity of the unknown to lose his life miserably unless and until he chooses to get saved by Jesus by asking Him genuinely and humbly accepting his mistake of indulging in the occult ["hidden, secret that are difficult to see"] medium in curiosity? No one should ever suffer evil curses that come through the occult medium, as Jesus Christ has died for them to save them from all deceit and lies of the evil angels and the curses that come when in contact with them (Gal 3:10, 13-14).
So I would rephrase the question in this way, should we want to know how many angels can dance on the tip of a pen and in fact receive curses for disobedience from God because of our curiosity to satisfy the mystery of the unknown? May it never be, we already have the curse of sin to fight against, why should we ever get caught unnecessarily in the trap of the curses for our disobedience against God's command which commands us not to be in touch with the evil angelic realm of the occult supernatural? Why to get caught in curses that we do not have power to get out of. Ignorance cannot be a bliss, because once the lies and deceit of bliss that evil angels promote is over, he or she has to pay for their own disobedience against God which will follow them in the form of curses in all realms of their life. Lord help us to do what pleases you and stay away from all that displeases you! Amen.
Hope you got the point and were prevented from losing your blessings that comes freely from God through His favor towards us and the lives of our family members.
Much Blessings...
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