Question: The woman in Rev 12 was the nation of Israel who gave birth to the man child, Jesus Christ. The serpent persecuted this nation for giving birth to this Man child. Herod wanted to kill this child and killed the babies who were born around that time.
The child was raised alive and taken into the heaven.
The nation of Israel was persecuted by many rulers. Jerusalem city was burnt by Nero, Roman King.
This Jewish nation was persecuted lastly by Hitler. This nation was in the wilderness till the birth of the political state of Israel in 1948.
What is your take on it?
Revelation 12 is no way talking about the church! The church is raptured already in Revelation 4:1.
The 144000 need not be an exact number, it means a large group, right?
Answer: Greetings in Jesus wonderful name!
Yes one part of it is accurate and right,...In the first instance in Rev 12:6, the nation of Israel has ceased to exist for two thousand years and cannot flee in to wilderness. But the Church has fled in to the wilderness of fasting and prayer without the bridegroom Jesus Christ with it (Luke 5:35). Thus the three and half years of Messiah's anointing which was rejected by the nation of Israel, was drawn by the bride for the past two thousand years. But as the Church look forward to Rapture, Israel will instead will accept the Antichrist who comes in his name in the first three and half years of Daniel 70th week as their Messiah (John 5:43).
Suddenly during the mid-point of Daniel 70th week, Antichrist and the False Prophet will want to bring the Church, the woman in to their slavery, "But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent." (Rev 12:14). Truly the Church which has fled in to wilderness when ever she faced trials and Tribulation for the past two thousand years, will suddenly "fly in to the wilderness" of meeting Jesus and being with Him in intimacy for the next three and half years away from the Presence of Satan and his cohorts until the Second Coming of Jesus and the Church (Hos 2:14; Rev 19:11-21). Hallelujah!
This flying in to the wilderness is the Rapture of the Church, then once the rapture happens, Satan will be angry, and will pursue to bring these offspring of the left behind offspring of the woman the Church in to slavery through forcefully sealing them with the 666 mark of the beast (Rev 13:8-18), but God will empower these Tribulation saints to overcome Satan's wrath (Rev 12:17), and many will die as Martyrs and rise up in the first resurrection to live physically for a thousand years time in this earth (Rev 20:4-6). Praise the LORD Jesus Christ! Hallelujah. Glory!
Once Israel will be ready to enter in to Great Tribulation, then God will seal the 144000 Jews who are the godly remnant of the twelve tribes (Rev 7:1-8), these will be kept safe to enter in to the Millennial rule of Jesus and the Church. Two third of Israel will be dead through the Great Tribulation (Zec 13:9). And then once the Assyrian Antichrist will come to Jerusalem with a World army to wipe of the nation of Israel in Armageddon (Zec 14:3), Jesus will come and defeat those who wanted to destroy Israel, and will throw both Antichrist and the False Prophet in to the lake of fire to make them continue in it eternally condemned forever and ever (Rev 19:20). Hallelujah! And once Israel receives their true Messiah Jesus the Christ at His Second Coming to the earth, again Israel will become the people of God among whom God will reside and bless the whole world for a thousand years time, then Israel once again will be that woman, whom God calls as 'my people' again for a thousand years time (Zec 13:9; Hos 2:23)! Praise the LORD.
There is no evidence for Revelation 4 Rapture, it is an assumption only. John was taken from a earthly standpoint to the heavenly one, in order to make him understand from God's view point of the whole end time apocalyptic scenario. Then this Rev 4:1 gives us a clear picture of how the New Heaven and New Earth will operate in relation to the old heaven and earth during the Millennial rule of Jesus and the Church. This old heaven and earth is that which we are presently living.
If what you say is right let us assume, then who is the offspring of the woman in the second half of the Daniel 70th week? The bottom line is, only the Church as the woman both fleeing for the representational three and half years time anointing which has continued for the last two thousand years, and for the second time flying up through Rapture for the literal second three and half years of Daniel 70th Week, fits the clear cut narrative of John the Revelator in the Book of Revelation 12th Chapter.
At the end of Millennial rule of Jesus Christ and the Church, this present earth will be burnt by fire and become as gas (2 Peter 3:10-12). But as for the Church, it will rule this old heaven and earth for a thousand years time, from the new heaven and new earth (2 Peter 3:13). Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior will be residing in the New Heaven and New Earth with the Church. But also together they will be reigning on the old heaven and old earth, and shepherd the Tribulation saints who will have risen up in the first resurrection and will reign as priests with Jesus, ruling the whole earth from Jerusalem for a thousand years, after which they all will receive their glorious Resurrection Body and will be resettled in the New Heaven and New Earth (Rev 20:4-6). Praise the Lord!
Regarding your question, the 144000 need not be an exact number, it means a large group, right?
Yes 144000 is a corporate number of identity for Israel in Revelation 7th Chapter and a corporate identity for the Church in heaven in Revelation 14th Chapter.
So might be, Jesus to identify for the first time all the tribes of Israel since the last two thousand years of dispersion in all the world, in which many many Jews have lost or completely have no record of their tribal identity, might not even be able to fully identify themselves even by DNA, will be separated by Jesus to reveal to themselves first during the Great Tribulation and then to the whole world at the start of the Millennial rule of Jesus and the Church. So 144000 might be the literal number, as the tribes and the count of them also are revealed as 12000 in each tribe, and the realm of God's blessing upon them is also physical which is a sand Blessing (Rev 1:1-8; Gen 12:7; 13:14-17).
We can infer from the tribe of Dan which is included in Ezekiel 48:2, which discusses the distribution of land in the millennium. However, the tribe of Dan is mysteriously left out of the Book of Revelation, which lists the 12 tribes of Israel.
Some say that the omission of Dan may be because the tribe was the first to worship idols in Israel (Judges 18:30-31). Others say that the omission may indicate that the false prophet in Revelation 13 comes from the tribe of Dan. Some say that Joseph or Manasseh (or even Levi) was added to replace Dan to keep the number of tribes at 12. Possibly the return of Levi and exclusion of Dan indicates that the Levitical priesthood was over. But what ever may be the exact reason, one thing is sure, the Jews in the Millennial rule of Jesus Christ is not just 144000 only literally, but more than that yes it is a larger group than that definitely. Glory!
But definitely for the Church, it represents the whole of redeemed population for the entire time of Church's existence, even up to the Rapture, after which they are identified as the redeemed in heaven and not on earth at that time (Rev 14:2, 4). For the Church it is the heavenly Star Blessing of Abraham our Father is upon us, so this picture of Church in Mount Zion the head quarters of the saints (Rev 14:1; John 14:1-4; Heb 11:10; 12:22, 23, 25; Eph 2:19; 3:14-15; Php 3:20, 21), which is also called as the city of God in heaven where the Church will be married to Jesus and will have reception thereafter continuing to rejoice with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ after Rapture aptly fits us, and therefore 144000 redeemed saints represents the Body of Christ as a whole after the Rapture from this old heaven and earth (Eph 1:3; Gen 15:5; Gal 3:16). Praise the LORD!
Much Blessings....
Once Israel will be ready to enter in to Great Tribulation, then God will seal the 144000 Jews who are the godly remnant of the twelve tribes (Rev 7:1-8), these will be kept safe to enter in to the Millennial rule of Jesus and the Church. Two third of Israel will be dead through the Great Tribulation (Zec 13:9). And then once the Assyrian Antichrist will come to Jerusalem with a World army to wipe of the nation of Israel in Armageddon (Zec 14:3), Jesus will come and defeat those who wanted to destroy Israel, and will throw both Antichrist and the False Prophet in to the lake of fire to make them continue in it eternally condemned forever and ever (Rev 19:20). Hallelujah! And once Israel receives their true Messiah Jesus the Christ at His Second Coming to the earth, again Israel will become the people of God among whom God will reside and bless the whole world for a thousand years time, then Israel once again will be that woman, whom God calls as 'my people' again for a thousand years time (Zec 13:9; Hos 2:23)! Praise the LORD.
There is no evidence for Revelation 4 Rapture, it is an assumption only. John was taken from a earthly standpoint to the heavenly one, in order to make him understand from God's view point of the whole end time apocalyptic scenario. Then this Rev 4:1 gives us a clear picture of how the New Heaven and New Earth will operate in relation to the old heaven and earth during the Millennial rule of Jesus and the Church. This old heaven and earth is that which we are presently living.
If what you say is right let us assume, then who is the offspring of the woman in the second half of the Daniel 70th week? The bottom line is, only the Church as the woman both fleeing for the representational three and half years time anointing which has continued for the last two thousand years, and for the second time flying up through Rapture for the literal second three and half years of Daniel 70th Week, fits the clear cut narrative of John the Revelator in the Book of Revelation 12th Chapter.
At the end of Millennial rule of Jesus Christ and the Church, this present earth will be burnt by fire and become as gas (2 Peter 3:10-12). But as for the Church, it will rule this old heaven and earth for a thousand years time, from the new heaven and new earth (2 Peter 3:13). Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior will be residing in the New Heaven and New Earth with the Church. But also together they will be reigning on the old heaven and old earth, and shepherd the Tribulation saints who will have risen up in the first resurrection and will reign as priests with Jesus, ruling the whole earth from Jerusalem for a thousand years, after which they all will receive their glorious Resurrection Body and will be resettled in the New Heaven and New Earth (Rev 20:4-6). Praise the Lord!
Regarding your question, the 144000 need not be an exact number, it means a large group, right?
Yes 144000 is a corporate number of identity for Israel in Revelation 7th Chapter and a corporate identity for the Church in heaven in Revelation 14th Chapter.
So might be, Jesus to identify for the first time all the tribes of Israel since the last two thousand years of dispersion in all the world, in which many many Jews have lost or completely have no record of their tribal identity, might not even be able to fully identify themselves even by DNA, will be separated by Jesus to reveal to themselves first during the Great Tribulation and then to the whole world at the start of the Millennial rule of Jesus and the Church. So 144000 might be the literal number, as the tribes and the count of them also are revealed as 12000 in each tribe, and the realm of God's blessing upon them is also physical which is a sand Blessing (Rev 1:1-8; Gen 12:7; 13:14-17).
We can infer from the tribe of Dan which is included in Ezekiel 48:2, which discusses the distribution of land in the millennium. However, the tribe of Dan is mysteriously left out of the Book of Revelation, which lists the 12 tribes of Israel.
Some say that the omission of Dan may be because the tribe was the first to worship idols in Israel (Judges 18:30-31). Others say that the omission may indicate that the false prophet in Revelation 13 comes from the tribe of Dan. Some say that Joseph or Manasseh (or even Levi) was added to replace Dan to keep the number of tribes at 12. Possibly the return of Levi and exclusion of Dan indicates that the Levitical priesthood was over. But what ever may be the exact reason, one thing is sure, the Jews in the Millennial rule of Jesus Christ is not just 144000 only literally, but more than that yes it is a larger group than that definitely. Glory!
But definitely for the Church, it represents the whole of redeemed population for the entire time of Church's existence, even up to the Rapture, after which they are identified as the redeemed in heaven and not on earth at that time (Rev 14:2, 4). For the Church it is the heavenly Star Blessing of Abraham our Father is upon us, so this picture of Church in Mount Zion the head quarters of the saints (Rev 14:1; John 14:1-4; Heb 11:10; 12:22, 23, 25; Eph 2:19; 3:14-15; Php 3:20, 21), which is also called as the city of God in heaven where the Church will be married to Jesus and will have reception thereafter continuing to rejoice with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ after Rapture aptly fits us, and therefore 144000 redeemed saints represents the Body of Christ as a whole after the Rapture from this old heaven and earth (Eph 1:3; Gen 15:5; Gal 3:16). Praise the LORD!
Much Blessings....
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