Question: Unfortunately for your view it is in DIRECT conflict with what Christ and Paul actually taught…Paul declared that the rapture would not occur until AFTER the resurrection of the righteous dead.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17…Christ declared that the resurrection of the righteous (ALL that belongs to Him), would occur ON THE LAST DAY-John 6:39-40…
Paul said those that belong to Christ will be raised AT HIS COMING. 1 Corinthians 15:23…those clear straightforward statements by Christ and Paul eliminates the possibility of your opinion being correct…especially when those statements are confirmed in Revelation 20:4-6, where the resurrection of the righteous is seen occurring EXACTLY when and where Christ and Paul said it would occur…there are MANY more passages that refutes YOUR understanding…2 Thessalonians 1:4-10 being one of them in which Paul clearly shows that it is the DAY Christ returns to destroy the wicked is the SAME DAY He is coming to be glorified by us…
Answer: Thank you for discussing....Did you notice in the above time line first the Rapture...then the First Resurrection of the martyrs, then at the end of the Millennial rule of Jesus and the Church, the Second Resurrection and Second death judgment upon the whole world will happen. It is so clear what is your doubt further? Yes 1 Cor 15:23...is about Christ Second Coming. But 1 Thess 4: 13-17, speaks about Rapture of the Church after the Abomination of Desolation. Thank you.
Q: The Tribulation Saints are the children of the “woman” the people of Israel, that obey the Ten Commandments and come to believe in Jesus Christ during the last part of the Seven Years.
A: Exactly, the children are that of the woman, who is neither Israel nor the Church but the people of God, who will realize their mistake and will turn to the Lord and be saved through martyrdom to live physically, by rising up in the first resurrection and thus living physically as priests for a thousand years time (Rev 20:4-6), after which at the end they will all be raised up in their glorious bodies (2 Pet 3:10-13; Isa 34:4; Heb 1:10-12)....in the second resurrection which is implied (Rev 20:14-15), and therefore at that time the old earth and heaven will be burnt and become gas with no trace of existence. Thank you!
Q: Even in Revelation after the beast, John says what looks like the son of man coming down in the clouds, and an angel says to him get your sickle ready for the harvest is right, that's a rapture according to revelation.
A: Yes the harvest will be of the Tribulation saints saved (Rev 7:13-17; 14:14-16), and then the harvest of the wrath of God in which Antichrist and all his forces will be defeated and the rest will believe in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved at His second coming to live with Jesus Christ and the Millennial Saints for a thousand years time in their natural physical body (Rev 14:17-20; Ezek 38:21-22). God bless you!
Q: If all the Christians think they're not going to be in the tribulation, it's getting close, armies are already surrounding Israel look at the world today look at the United States, the end is near everybody will find out real soon.
A: I also think and believe that the Rapture of the Church will happen immediately after the Abomination of Desolation takes place (Rev 12:9-17).
One sign is enough, a peace covenant Global centering around the nation of Israel and the building of the third temple, and may be the Abomination of Desolation at the mid point, all the so called castles of Tradition built by Pre-tribbers who believe the tradition of rapture happening before Daniel 70th week, it will fall like a Domino and will scatter them here and there to make them restless until they start to believe the truth again. The love for the truth should remain in us, if we are really Saved by Jesus Christ (2 Thess 2:9-12).
Q: Who's starts the beginning of sorrows?
A: The beginning of sorrows are started by deception... this will create a birth pangs from God. Here is what the Bible tells in Matthew 24:6-7, "[6] And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. [7] For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.". The world war of 1 & 2, has been the start of the sorrows. Now that the nuclear deterrence has been kept, the other sorrows of the end time, like natural calamities are increasing rapidly from the year 2000. This will increase in frequency which will cause the world to unite under the title, 'climate change'. Thus the rider on the first white horse has suddenly come on the scene with America, leading the nations and finally Europe rising and joining the Bandwagon of the rising super power. But soon Antichrist will come to the scene and will begin to preach Peace and Safety.
Q: The first 3.5 yrs is not bad. That's how the Antichrist lures you in.
A: Very Correct ...also with the hook of universal basic income, he will try to hook you in to taking the mark of the beast. The catch phrase of, "You will own nothing, yet you will be happy." will lure every one...
Q: Revelation 11 after the two witnesses die they rise, then the dead are judged at the last Trumpet judgement.
A: Yes right from the time of abomination of desolation, these two prophets will start to oppose Antichrist and will call the whole world to repentance. One the Elijah that Jesus foretold will call the nation of Israel to repentance (Matt 17:10-13; John 1:19-28). Enoch the seventh from Adam, will call the whole world to repentance (Jude 14) . The Trumpets will be operated by the prophets from first to last (Rev 11:5-6; 2 King 1:10; 1 King 17:1; Gen 5:22-23, 24; Joel 2:1; Rom 11:24-26; Rev 2:1; Zec 4:14; Jer 11:16-17). At the time of the seventh trumpet, after three and half years these two prophets will be killed in the streets of Jerusalem and will lie there for three and half days (Rev 11:7-10, 11-14). The Antichrist and his followers will rejoice over it and will exchange gifts to celebrate it as they would have tormented the whole world when they were alive (Rev 11:10). In other words, every one who would try to kill them would be burnt by fire from heaven. After three and half days, they both would be resurrected and will be taken up by a cloud in to heaven. The enemies of God will see it and fear Him. Once the seventh Trumpets start, with in it the bowl of God's wrath will start and finish within it.
Q: The time of wrath?
A: The Trumpets and the Bowls within the last Seventh Trumpet, together they are the wrath of God, which includes the final Armageddon.
Q: The seal judgments aren't peace and safety. The whole seven years is worst than anything on earth before.
A: The seal judgments are not the wrath of God, but rather "the beginning of the sorrows" of the end of the world, the word sorrows comes from the Greek root word 'birth pang', it will be like a birth-pang pain that will keep on increasing more and more until the Great Tribulation happens in which the zenith of it will happen in an unprecedented way (Matt 24:8), Revelation 6th chapter speaks about the same 3 and half years until the wrath of the Lamb starts through the mid-point immediately after the abomination of desolation (Rev 6:17), through the two prophet who will operate the Trumpets until the last seal will be opened. Only from the start of the first Trumpet will begin to be be counted as the wrath of God. Once seventh Trumpet is blown by the prophets and started, they will then die and be resurrected to heaven after three and half days, but the the trumpet will continue and automatically trigger the Bowls of the wrath of God to take the Kings of all the earth to the Armageddon battle prepared for the by them to prevent Jesus and the Church from taking over the governments of the world. God bless you.
Q: The church is NOT anywhere within the 7 years. Nor can it even happen while we are here. When you read Daniel, it is 100% clear it is the final week in his vision, which pertains to Israel. Moses and Elijah return, representing the law and the prophets, the language is 100% Hebrew centric... You need to dig deeper. Then read about Lot and the angels saying that they CANNOT bring the destruction while he is there... it is a type, or mystery, of the rapture.
A: If the Church is not anywhere within the 7 years, why did Jesus tell the Church to watch and pray so that you might escape what is coming upon the earth? According to your theory, you need to throw away the eschatological chapters of Jesus in the Gospels and the apostles who wrote the rest. Because all of them speaks the same thing and understood the same.
Q: How do you explain Revelation 6, and as well where in your outline can you fit the 7 years of burying weapons and using some for fuel after the Ezekiel 38 and 39 war?
A: Revelation 6th chapter speaks about the Lamb opening the seals one by one and 4 horses (i.e.) white, red, black, pale being released upon the earth, that will bring war, confusion, famine and wide spread deaths, and finally in Revelation 6:8 we see that a fourth of the earth was killed with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth, who are Antichrist and false prophet to take control of the whole world. The fifth Seal will be the Cry of the Martyrs in heaven, and God's assurance of taking vengeance in a little while, which will be in the next three and half years time. They were given a white robe, which symbolizes that they will be part of the first resurrection. The sixth seal will bring great cosmic disturbances, which will make the kings of the earth to hide themselves from the wrath of the Lamb by creating underground bunkers to keep themselves safe within rocky mountains. Seven years of burying the weapons will happen after Jesus Christ comes to the earth to rule it with the Church for a thousand years time. Mostly these weapons will be from Russia which will join forces with the Islamic countries to fight in the final war of Armageddon. These dead bodies will be marked and carefully handled for radiation, as they all would have come with nuclear weapons to destroy the nation of Israel.
Q: Doesn't the midpoint become a date which can be calculated at some point?
A: No it is a seasonal sign. Hour or day of the coming of Jesus Christ no one knows (1 These 5:1-4).
Q: What about the 7 year Tribulation shown in Dan 9:27?
A: 7 years Peace treaty cannot be 7 years Tribulation because the Scripture does not say so. Only three and half years of wrath, the Bible describes...and Great Tribulation is predicted to happen for a short time within the second half of the Daniel 70th week. Dan 9:27 says like the following, "Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” The above verse clearly states that there will be a agreement or Peace covenant for 7 years time.
According to the Bible, the one and only Great Tribulation, starts after abomination of desolation and ends before the Second Coming of Christ. There is not a single Scripture in the Bible to assure your self that there is 7 years of Tribulation.
Nowhere in the Bible, both in the Old and New Testament, God has spoken about a 7 years Tribulation. But in every instance mentioned regarding the 7 years, He has spoken about 3.5 years of Tribulation only. So in context to Tribulation, we can speak of 3.5 years only.
Here is the detailed analysis of the Daniel 70th Week:
The length of the Tribulation is only 3 1/2 years. It is given eight times in the Scripture:
1. Daniel 7.25 - "a time and times and the dividing of time."
2. Daniel 12:7 - "a time, times, and a half."
3. Daniel 12:11 - "a thousand two hundred and ninety days" (plus 30 days).
4. Rev 11:2 - "forty and two months."
5. Rev 11:3 - "a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
6. Rev 12:6 - "a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
7. Rev 12:14 - "a time, and times, and half a time."
8. Rev 13.5 - "forty and two months."
Thank you. God bless you!
Q: We see in the Book of Daniel two very important time about the end time Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, they are revealed in Daniel 12:11-13, Can you please explain a little bit more and give clarity regarding these Scriptures?
A: Greetings in Jesus wonderful name!
Daniel was told that at "the end of the days" he shall arise to his inheritance (Dan 12:13), which means according to God, Daniel the Prophet will rise up in his supernatural glorious body and will be resettled in the New Jerusalem after the resurrection of Jesus Christ, to be with God forever and ever for the Glory of God. This had happened when Jesus rose up from the dead and took all the Old Testament saints with him to the city of God which is the New Jerusalem for the eternal settlement within it walls and gates (Matt 27:50-53; Eph 1:13-14; Php 3:21; Heb 11:10, 39-40; John 14:2-3). All the Old Testament saints of God were kept in the Hades which is the place where departed souls are kept by God. In it as Jesus explained the righteous souls were kept in paradise or Abraham's Bosom, until after resurrection of His, He emptied the righteous section of it by preaching the good news that they are saved now, and took them all to the New Jerusalem of His Father's house to resettle all of them there (Luke 16:22; 23:43; Eph 4:8-10; 1 Pet 3:18-19, 20-21). But the unsaved, unrighteous section of the souls in the prison of Hades remains there until the White Throne Judgment takes place at the end of the Millennial rule of Jesus Christ and the Church (Luke 16:22-31; Rev 20:7-10, 11-15).
Here are the Scripture you asked to explain, "9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand. 11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. 13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.” (Dan 12:11-13).
Daniel was told that at "the end of the days" he shall arise to his inheritance (Dan 12:13), which means according to God, Daniel the Prophet will rise up in his supernatural glorious body and will be resettled in the New Jerusalem after the resurrection of Jesus Christ, to be with God forever and ever for the Glory of God. This had happened when Jesus rose up from the dead and took all the Old Testament saints with him to the city of God which is the New Jerusalem for the eternal settlement within it walls and gates (Matt 27:50-53; Eph 1:13-14; Php 3:21; Heb 11:10, 39-40; John 14:2-3). All the Old Testament saints of God were kept in the Hades which is the place where departed souls are kept by God. In it as Jesus explained the righteous souls were kept in paradise or Abraham's Bosom, until after resurrection of His, He emptied the righteous section of it by preaching the good news that they are saved now, and took them all to the New Jerusalem of His Father's house to resettle all of them there (Luke 16:22; 23:43; Eph 4:8-10; 1 Pet 3:18-19, 20-21). But the unsaved, unrighteous section of the souls in the prison of Hades remains there until the White Throne Judgment takes place at the end of the Millennial rule of Jesus Christ and the Church (Luke 16:22-31; Rev 20:7-10, 11-15).
Here are the Scripture you asked to explain, "9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand. 11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. 13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.” (Dan 12:11-13).
When God says to Daniel, "Go your way, till the end...," it means the way humans die, you also die and wait for your glorious body of your eternal inheritance to come at the right time when I get resurrected after my Death in Jerusalem (Isa 26:19). When God then says, "You shall rest...", it does mean the pagan unbiblical doctrine of soul sleep, but rather means, wait in Paradise and Abraham's Bosom, until I rise you up in your glorious body again in Jerusalem (Matt 27:50-53).
The wise saved people of God will understand very well, both the abomination of desolation of the Antichrist and also the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
At the time of the end, we as the saints of God do understand what has not been understood until now, this is the time of the end, where many travel to and fro in all the world and knowledge and artificial information technology has come to take control of the whole wide world just as it has been predicted by Daniel the Prophet of God before nearly two thousand seven hundred years ago in the exiles of Babylon (Dan 12:4, 9).
At the time of the end, we as the saints of God do understand what has not been understood until now, this is the time of the end, where many travel to and fro in all the world and knowledge and artificial information technology has come to take control of the whole wide world just as it has been predicted by Daniel the Prophet of God before nearly two thousand seven hundred years ago in the exiles of Babylon (Dan 12:4, 9).
Now the time of the end is related to the nation of Israel which is in existence in the days we live, now that the nation of Israel is like a "heavy stone [upon] for all people" (Zec 12:3), until all the nations of the world gather against it. We are living in the day when according to the prophetic words of the Bible, "In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a fire pan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place-Jerusalem." (Zech 12:6).
We are living in the times, when Jerusalem has been made the eternal capital of the nation of Israel. Now that Jerusalem is being established, the third temple of the end time is going to come up with the peace covenant that is going to take place in all the world, through the emergence of Antichrist! Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus Soon!
The above timeline clearly reveals that Dan 12:11 - 1290 days is a counted forward, so that we can know that even though only at the mid point the sacrifice is stopped or taken away, but days before that itself the abomination of Antichrist will be set up in its place, but the arrival of Elijah and Enoch to turn the people of the nation of Israel and the world to repentance will start to make the head of the image of the beast or statue of Antichrist to fall to the ground, even if they try to restore it again and again, till they are taken out of their way, after which the abomination of desolation will be set up firmly within the temple of God in the third temple (1 Sam 5:4). Blessed is the person who waits for 1335 days because by that time the first resurrection of all Martyrs will take place from Abel the first martyr to the last saints who will be martyred by Antichrist during the Great Tribulation, when Jesus Christ and the Church comes to rule the earth for a thousand years time (Rev 20:6)! This is a wild card entry of a thousand years resurrection to live physically on earth during the Millennial rule of Jesus Christ and the Church, after which in the second resurrection at the end of the Millennium because their names are written in the book of life, they will be part of a second resurrection without second death, which is implied for them. Hallelujah!
We see the two prophets ministry take place for 1260 days from the mid-point, after which in three and half days (Rev 11:7-14), they will leave this earth by resurrection, being taken up in to heaven by a cloud which their enemies will see and fear the Lord! So the next 30 days will be the bowls of wrath from God that will shake the Kingdom of Antichrist, and all the kings of the world (Rev 16:1-21), to make them furious enough to again in the next 45 days cause a Great Tribulation against the saints of God (Matt 24:21). But thank God that there is a blessed first resurrection for the martyrs, that will given to them for the first time in the history of mankind, which will make them live a thousand years lifetime to break all records of all mortal saints till then, which is Methuselah who lived for 969 years which is the highest till date (Gen 5:29), to make them live for a Millennium in the rule of Jesus and His Church!
The above timeline clearly reveals that Dan 12:11 - 1290 days is a counted forward, so that we can know that even though only at the mid point the sacrifice is stopped or taken away, but days before that itself the abomination of Antichrist will be set up in its place, but the arrival of Elijah and Enoch to turn the people of the nation of Israel and the world to repentance will start to make the head of the image of the beast or statue of Antichrist to fall to the ground, even if they try to restore it again and again, till they are taken out of their way, after which the abomination of desolation will be set up firmly within the temple of God in the third temple (1 Sam 5:4). Blessed is the person who waits for 1335 days because by that time the first resurrection of all Martyrs will take place from Abel the first martyr to the last saints who will be martyred by Antichrist during the Great Tribulation, when Jesus Christ and the Church comes to rule the earth for a thousand years time (Rev 20:6)! This is a wild card entry of a thousand years resurrection to live physically on earth during the Millennial rule of Jesus Christ and the Church, after which in the second resurrection at the end of the Millennium because their names are written in the book of life, they will be part of a second resurrection without second death, which is implied for them. Hallelujah!
We see the two prophets ministry take place for 1260 days from the mid-point, after which in three and half days (Rev 11:7-14), they will leave this earth by resurrection, being taken up in to heaven by a cloud which their enemies will see and fear the Lord! So the next 30 days will be the bowls of wrath from God that will shake the Kingdom of Antichrist, and all the kings of the world (Rev 16:1-21), to make them furious enough to again in the next 45 days cause a Great Tribulation against the saints of God (Matt 24:21). But thank God that there is a blessed first resurrection for the martyrs, that will given to them for the first time in the history of mankind, which will make them live a thousand years lifetime to break all records of all mortal saints till then, which is Methuselah who lived for 969 years which is the highest till date (Gen 5:29), to make them live for a Millennium in the rule of Jesus and His Church!
Surely when Jesus and the Church comes again, that is, during the 45 days (on the timeline chart seen above) between the 1290 days and 1335 days, once the abomination is set up in the temple, the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon with the (in vain) intent of stopping Jesus from executing judgment on them. Psalms 2:1 says, "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?" In complete terror of Jesus appearing, the kings of the earth will assemble their armies at Armageddon for 45 days, in the vain hope of avoiding their own demise. But praise God that Jesus and the Church will defeat them all with a word of His mouth and with the breath and brightness of His Second Coming to the earth (2 Thess 2:8; Rev 19:13-16; Jer 25:33; 30:23-24; Isa 66:14-17)! GLORY!
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