Question: How the 24 elders prove a pre-trib.... Rapture, that is, Rapture taking place before Daniel 70th week of the last 7 years?
Note: There are people who have seen God's main throne before John, people like Isaiah and Ezekiel. They described it. They are all similar to what John saw EXCEPT the 24 elders... So, when did they get there....?
Facts that we already know: + They are humans, not angels. + They are saved too just like us (although an old testament saint can claim such as they claimed too because Christ's death affected O.T saints too.) + They will reign with Christ too.
What we don't know: + Who are they...... Is it just speculation that they are representing both old and new testament believers? Or is there a valid proof text or reason to prove anything else?
How they prove the pre-trib.... Rapture?
+ Timing: they show up BEFORE the tribulation began. This is important because if they are part of the church which we know they are, and are seen crowned, immortalized, now have the capacity to stand before God, in heaven etc..... then the rest of the Body of Christ must have experienced the same.
If we leave the rapture of the church to the middle of the week or at the end, you then have a problem with the 24 elders to deal with......
As long as they are introduced before the pre-trib of 7 years, that settles it.
What is your take on it?
Thanks.
Answer: Greetings to you in Jesus wonderful name!
First of all, the Old Testament Saints, many except the martyred ones, have already risen when Jesus Christ rose up from the grave and many were also seen around Jerusalem (Matt 27:50-53; Isa 26:19, 20). So the 24 elders will never have to be considered regarding the Old Testament Saints. Instead in Isa 26:20, immediately after referring to the resurrection of all the Old Testament Saints alongside his resurrection, then God speaks to a group of people presently called as the Church saying, "Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the indignation is past." This really speaks about a Rapture before the Great Tribulation and it doesn't speak about the nation of Israel on earth, because they will go through the "JACOB'S TROUBLE" OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION and one third of the REMNANT WILL BE SAVED to live in the Millennial Kingdom of God (Jer 30:7; Zec 13:8-9).
Now that we know for sure, that the 24 elders with white robes, crowns, redeemed soul by the Lamb who gives the new song in their mouth, are none other than the elders of the Church, let us understand whether this co-relates with the Rapture of the Church?
The key 🗝️ to unlocking this end times mystery is in the word "A 🌈 RAINBOW around the throne, in appearance like an emerald", which reveals the "twenty four elders sitting", which clearly conveys that the elders will soon in reality will be standing and singing the redeemed song of the Lamb from Mount Zion before the throne of God and falling down in worship casting their crown, as the Rapture will become a reality and not just remain a appearance after the mid-point of Daniel 70th week. How can we say that as REALITY SCRIPTURALLY? Because the only other time the "RAINBOW 🌈" was spoken by Jesus Christ is when he speaks about the successive Trumpets 🎺 of Seven which brings the Second Coming of Jesus Christ to the earth (Rev 10:1-11).
So what does the "Rainbow 🌈" signify in the last days, though the Great Tribulation will come suddenly anytime after the mid-point of Daniel 70th week, yet when Jesus revealed, "37 "But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 "For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 "and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 "Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 "Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 "Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming." (Matt 24:37-42), he was driving the message of grace and mercies of God that will bring the Great Tribulation as a birth pangs and successive Trumpets of the two prophets leading people to Repentance and receiving the Kingdom life even after the Rapture, but with the persecution and Martyrdom, because of the flood of 666 Mark of the Beast forced upon all the people of the world by Antichrist (Matt 24:8-14; Rev 11:3, 10), so that this will be different rather than like Noah's flood, where no one could come out of it even when they cried out to God for salvation as the 🌈 RAINBOW only appeared at the end of the deluge as a sign of God's covenant to the obedient 8 of the family of Noah only (1 Peter 3:20-22), as many who were DISOBEDIENT sons of God who died in the flood were preached the Gospel by Jesus after his resurrection, who also took them to heaven later from the righteous section of the Hades prison to the New Jerusalem City of God (1 Peter 3:19-22). Hallelujah! What a merciful God we have!
Thus the redeemed, that appears anytime after the mid-point of Daniel 70th week is revealed in Revelation 14:1-5, "1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God." The 144000 on Mount Zion standing with a Lamb, is the Church redeemed by the Lord Jesus Christ from earth, standing in heaven, rejoicing and singing the New Song of the Lamb. Revelation 14:3 says, "They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders;...", which portrays the Revelation 4th & 5th Chapter, to make sure to re emphasize that "no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth", that is, the Raptured Church in heaven before the throne of God.
Hallelujah!
So Revelation Chapter 4 & 5 describing the 24 elders, is a fast forward ⏩ in motion, a flash forward, a prophetic forecast of what is going to take place for the glory of God after the Rapture of the Church! Also the elders of the Church might be present in their spirit in heaven before the throne of God, before the Rapture (1 Cor 5:4; Rev 6:10-11).
Glory to God 💪🏽 🙏🏽 ✝️ 🔥
Thus the phrase "new song" appears twice in the Book of Revelation: first in Revelation 5:9 and again in Revelation 14:3.
1. The NEW SONG OF REDEMPTION IN THE EYES OF GOD BEFORE RAPTURE (Revelation 5:9)
In this passage, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders sing a new song to the Lamb (Jesus) in heaven. The lyrics praise Him for His sacrifice and for redeeming humanity from every nation.
Key Verse (5:9): "And they sang a new song, saying: 'You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.'"
2. The NEW SONG of the 144,000 AFTER THE RAPTURE (Revelation 14:3).
Here, a new song is sung before the throne by the 144,000 redeemed followers on Mount Zion. The text notes that this song is a profound heavenly mystery that only the redeemed can learn and sing.Key Verse (14:3): "And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth", now can be understood in New Dimension of the end times that God has planned for the Church, rather than blindly accepting the Pre-Trib unscriptural view of people, who take that out of context to even go to the extent of saying, If we leave the rapture of the church to the middle of the week..., you then have a problem with the 24 elders to deal with...Here it is, we have have not only dealt the 24 elders by the grace of God, but the Holy Spirit has consistently brought out the mystery key 🗝️ of the RAINBOW 🌈 JUDGMENT that the Lord in His grace and mercies will bring forth during the Great Tribulation of those days of JACOB'S TROUBLE. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ!
THUS THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WATCH AND PRAY THAT YOU MIGHT ESCAPE THE GREAT TRIBULATION THAT IS COMING UPON THE WHOLE WORLD THROUGH RAPTURE, THAT WILL HAPPEN ANYTIME AFTER THE MID-POINT OF DANIEL 70TH WEEK! GLORY TO GOD 🙏🏽
Much Blessings.....
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