Is Pre-Trib Rapture False?

WHY POST-TRIB BELIEVERS OPPOSE PRE-TRIB VIEW VEHEMENTLY? AND WHY PRE-GREAT TRIBULATION VIEW STANDS OUT!!!

Question: Is the Pre-trib rapture false? People say that is why it’s so popular. Is there a Scripture basis upon which it can be justified? Also whatever reason, people who subscribe to Post-Trib view, oppose vehemently the pre-trib view, why? If both do not fit in, in case, then is Rapture or taking up of the Church is on the False premises of assumption and not a Scriptural reality? What is your take on it. 🙏🏻

Answer: Greetings to you in Jesus wonderful name!

The timing of the Rapture (believers being caught up to meet Christ) relative to the Tribulation is highly debated. The key scriptural distinctions center on whether the Church is rescued before God's wrath or gathered after the Tribulation's persecution. But right throughout this article, I am going to give my perspective about why something is, something isn't according to my view point, which is neither Pre-Trib nor Post-Trib, but rather is Pre-GreatTrib which I will clearly outline for your understanding.

PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE SCRIPTURES: This view posits that the Church will be removed before the 7-year tribulation period. It emphasizes imminence and deliverance from God's wrath.

(My commentary: First and foremost the Great spoiler regarding the pre and post happens when each of them show Scriptures that do not clearly outline the Great Tribulation. JESUS CHRIST our LORD AND SAVIOUR, spoke in Matt 24 warning ⚠️ about Great Tribulation and not just Tribulation, which has always continued for the past two thousand years for the Church (John 16:33). So Great Tribulation will be the only Tribulation that is uniquely identified and spoken as an unprecedented highlight of God's Wrath in the times of the end (Matt 24:2-22).

In short, the first half of Daniel 70th week is the Great Deception from the Antichrist Peace and Saftey saga which starts with the covenant of Daniel 9, until the mid-point Abomination of Desolation (1 Thess 5:2-3; Dan 9:27; 2 Thess 2:1-4). The Second half of Daniel 70th week will be the Great Tribulation without any Deception. After the mid-point of Daniel 70th week, the 666 Mark of the Beast will be implemented and made mandatory through a edict or a policy change that will be issued by the one world leader, that anyone who resists the mark of the beast will be beheaded, but at the same time Bible has foretold that those who receive the mark will be deceived into hell fire for worshiping the Beast and his statue. Thus once this edict is issued by the Antichrist, the Great Tribulation will start, as the two opposing forces get locked in an open war, one is Christ vs the Antichrist).

1 THESSALONIANS 4:16-17: Describes the Lord descending from heaven, the dead in Christ rising first, and living believers being caught up together with them in the clouds.

(According to my clear cut understanding that the Lord Jesus opened up for me recently, I see the above verse as taking place during the first Trumpet of the two prophetic witnesses Elijah and Enoch blowing the prophetic trumpet.

Because the Scripture reveals it as "16: For THE LORD Himself WILL DESCEND from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE of an archangel, and with THE TRUMPET OF GOD. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17: Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus WE SHALL ALWAYS BE WITH THE LORD." (1 These 4:16-17). Remember, "the trumpet" is the unique first Trumpet, which is the mystery unveiled by two witnesses of Rev 11 only. Jesus called this as a midnight delayed bridegroom's cry (Matt 25:6).

The famous phrase "no man knows the day or the hour" is a quotation from Matthew 24:36, where Jesus states that only the Father knows the timing of the end times. Historically and theologically, this phrase is intimately tied to the concept of witnesses of Rev 11 in several different contexts.

Jesus’ statement mirrors a well-known ancient Jewish idiom regarding the holiday of Rosh Hashanah (Yom Teruah).

Yom Teruah, which translates literally from Hebrew as the "Day of Shouting" or "Day of Blasting," is the biblical name for the festival widely known today as the Feast of Trumpets or Rosh Hashanah (the Jewish New Year).

Because the holiday begins on the new moon, it was never known in advance precisely when it would begin. The exact day and hour were only confirmed when the Sanhedrin officially accepted the testimony of two witnesses who had spotted the new moon. Until these witnesses testified, no one knew the exact hour the new year began.

Jesus himself said, Elijah is coming first before the coming of the Lord Jesus to rule for a thousand years time, this ministry centers on turning hearts and preparing the world for the Messiah's kingdom (Matt 17:10-13). So Jesus himself tied, both the Rapture and the Second Coming to the precursor appearance of the Old Testament Prophet Elijah emphasized during the first Trumpet and Enoch which the New Testament implies so clearly emphasized around the Second Coming time of the 7th Trumpet. So the First Trumpet is the Rapture Trumpet, the last Trumpet will be the Second Coming Trumpet).

1 THESSALONIANS 5:9: States that God has not destined believers for wrath, but to obtain salvation through Jesus. (So when Wrath of God starts? It is not just the Bowls of WRATH poured against the earthly Kingdom and throne of Antichrist is the entire Wrath, but the Wrath of God that started with the First Trumpet 🎺, finishes at the Seventh Trumpet 🎺 (Rev 11:15, 18; 15:1; 16:1). The timing of the Seven Trumpets is tied to Rapture with which it starts and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ with which it ends (Rev 10:7) Thus, anytime after the mid-point of Daniel's 70th week, the Church will be Raptured! Hallelujah!). After the Rapture, the two witnesses Elijah and Enoch will confirm what has happened in a moment of time in the heavenlies, and will start the feasts of Trumpets, which is the official starting time of Great Tribulation and an announcement from heaven that the literal Kingdom of God is at hand, and those who REPENT can only be able to enter it.

REVELATION 3:10: A promise to keep the church from "the hour of trial" that is coming on the whole world, will thus be confirmed by the two heavenly witnesses who will start to prophecy the 7 Trumpets as fire 🔥 through their mouth, expecting Repentance. (Once the Church is Raptured anytime after Mid-point, the 666 enforcement of Antichrist will start from Jerusalem, and spread to the ends of the world. Thus the Great Tribulation will be starting up in all the earth and will continue through the appointed time, which God has promised to shorten further or else no flesh will survive to be there for the Millenial rule of Jesus Christ and the Church. Hallelujah for God's tender mercies!)

1 CORINTHIANS 15:51-52: Describes the famous mystery of believers being changed "in the twinkling of an eye" at the "last trumpet." (When the Last Trumpet 🎺 of the Seventh Trumpet will continue to be blown, the mystery of God would be finished by that time as the signs of the Son of Man will begin to appear in the skies and the tribes and people of the whole earth will mourn for him, as the desire of all nations will finally come (Matt 24:30-31; Hag 2:7)).

POST-TRIBULATION RAPTURE SCRIPTURES:

This view argues that the Church will remain on earth through the Tribulation and that the Rapture and the Second Coming are the exact same event, happening simultaneously at the end.

MATTHEW 24:29-31: States that "immediately after the tribulation" the Son of Man will arrive on the clouds, and the angels will gather His elect.

(Immediately after the Tribulation, there can be no Rapture, as it has already happened around the first Trumpet 🎺 itself. So this time as it is the Seventh Trumpet that sounded forth, "Jesus Christ who has come with power from God to rule for a thousand years, "....will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." (Matt 24:31). This is the first Resurrection of the Tribulation Saints of the Laodicean church who were left behind to face the Great Tribulation and come out victorious to live as priests and rule for a thousand years time (Rev 3:14-22). The same which Revelation 20:4-5 mentions as believers specifically those who had been beheaded for their testimony participating in the "first resurrection" after the Tribulation period, so these should never be confused as Raptured Saints which happens at the time of first Trumpet). Hallelujah! Glory to God).

MATTHEW 24:13: Notes that "the one who endures to the end will be saved," which some theological scholars interpret as the Church enduring the Tribulation.

(But the fact of the matter is, The Philadelphia Church needs endurance till the Rapture takes place, the Laodicean church needs endurance till martyrdom to death, the Remnant people of God who will be left alive through the Great Tribulation by the grace and mercies of God will need endurance till the Second Coming of Jesus Christ to the Mount of Olives, to enter the Millennial Kingdom of the Father physically. All are Faith based, with endurance to the end, which God will grace when they are Saved through faith, which is not just for one but three categories at the time of the second half of the three and half years of Daniel 70th week. Glory to God!).

So there we are disrupting the ongoing, deep debate within Christianity concerning eschatology, with scholars highlighting that both views interpret the same core passages differently has come to an end. So this view point of anytime Rapture after the mid-point of Daniel 70th week will remain strong until Jesus comes, we call this view, PRE-GREAT TRIB VIEW.

Many evangelicals favor the pre-tribulation view, while historical and Orthodox traditions frequently adhere to a post-tribulation perspective which are all wrong as we have already seen and discussed above, all the while we who are enlightened by the Spirit of God will believe, declare and proclaim the PRE-GREAT TRIB VIEW of the end time Daniel 70th week, as the end itself is at hand and it is the PRESENT TRUTH we have received. Glory to God 💪🏽 🙏🏽 Hallelujah‼️

But what is the final TRUTH, that means much in the end time? As we have dug out the Scripture to prove that it is neither the Pre-Trib, nor the Post-Trib, but it is actually any time after the mid-point of Daniel 70th week is the reality, let us rejoice in the Lord always, to watch and pray to prepare ourselves for the Rapture, rather than get into debates with those who selectively hear to not accept the PRE-GREAT TRIB VIEW point. Praise the Lord!

In Leviticus 23:24, God commands the Israelites to observe a holy convocation on the first day of the seventh month (Tishrei), marked by a memorial of blowing trumpets.

THE HIDDEN DAY AND THE TWO WITNESSES

Yom Teruah is unique among all the biblical festivals mandated in the Torah because it is the only one that begins exactly on a New Moon (the first day of the lunar month).

Because the ancient Hebrew calendar relied entirely on visual astronomy rather than mathematical calculations, the start of Yom Teruah was highly conditional:

THE ROLE OF THE TWO WITNESSES: The Sanhedrin (the supreme religious court in Jerusalem) could not officially declare the new month until two independent witnesses came forward to testify that they had physically spotted the first silver sliver of the crescent moon.

"NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR": Because a lunar cycle lasts roughly 29.5 days, the new moon could appear on either the 29th or the 30th day of the preceding month. If the sky was cloudy or the witnesses were delayed, the start of the festival was pushed back. Therefore, it became a common idiom to say of Yom Teruah that "no man knows the day or the hour" of its arrival.

PROPHETIC AND ESCHATOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE

In Judeo-Christian eschatology, the Feast of Trumpets is heavily associated with the end times, resurrection, and the ultimate gathering of God's people.

THE ULTIMATE AWAKENING BLAST OF RAPTURE: Prophetic scholars often connect the "awakening blast" (Teruah) or the first blast of this feast to the event commonly referred to as the Rapture (1 Thess 4:6-17), making Jesus' usage of the idiom "no man knows the day or the hour" a direct clue pointing toward Yom Teruah, FEAST OF TRUMPETS, timing ranges frequently fall between early September and early October.

THE SOUND OF THE CONTINUED SHOFAR: The festival centers around the blowing of the shofar (a ram's horn). In the New Testament, Paul links the resurrection of the dead during Christ's SECOND COMING to this specific imagery in 1 Corinthians 15:52, stating it will happen “in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”, which clearly outlines the sounding of the Seventh Trumpet 🎺 to the last Trump before the establishment of the thousand years rule of Jesus Christ and the Church in which the First Resurrection will happen through which the Martyred Saints will rise up in a Millennial glorious body to serve as priests and rule with Jesus Christ in this earth. Hallelujah!



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THE 24 ELDERS OF REVELATION 4TH AND 5TH CHAPTER

THE 24 ELDERS AND THE QUESTION OF PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE ONLY DOCTRINE CONTESTED AND ANSWERED⁉️

Question: How the 24 elders prove a pre-trib.... Rapture, that is, Rapture taking place before Daniel 70th week of the last 7 years?

Note: There are people who have seen God's main throne before John, people like Isaiah and Ezekiel. They described it. They are all similar to what John saw EXCEPT the 24 elders... So, when did they get there....?

Facts that we already know: + They are humans, not angels. + They are saved too just like us (although an old testament saint can claim such as they claimed too because Christ's death affected O.T saints too.) + They will reign with Christ too.

What we don't know: + Who are they...... Is it just speculation that they are representing both old and new testament believers? Or is there a valid proof text or reason to prove anything else?

How they prove the pre-trib.... Rapture?

+ Timing: they show up BEFORE the tribulation began. This is important because if they are part of the church which we know they are, and are seen crowned, immortalized, now have the capacity to stand before God, in heaven etc..... then the rest of the Body of Christ must have experienced the same.

If we leave the rapture of the church to the middle of the week or at the end, you then have a problem with the 24 elders to deal with......

As long as they are introduced before the pre-trib of 7 years, that settles it.

What is your take on it?

Thanks.

Answer: Greetings to you in Jesus wonderful name!

First of all, the Old Testament Saints, many except the martyred ones, have already risen when Jesus Christ rose up from the grave and many were also seen around Jerusalem (Matt 27:50-53; Isa 26:19, 20). So the 24 elders will never have to be considered regarding the Old Testament Saints. Instead in Isa 26:20, immediately after referring to the resurrection of all the Old Testament Saints alongside his resurrection, then God speaks to a group of people presently called as the Church saying, "Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the indignation is past." This really speaks about a Rapture before the Great Tribulation and it doesn't speak about the nation of Israel on earth, because they will go through the "JACOB'S TROUBLE" OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION and one third of the REMNANT WILL BE SAVED to live in the Millennial Kingdom of God (Jer 30:7; Zec 13:8-9).

Now that we know for sure, that the 24 elders with white robes, crowns, redeemed soul by the Lamb who gives the new song in their mouth, are none other than the elders of the Church, let us understand whether this co-relates with the Rapture of the Church?

The key 🗝️ to unlocking this end times mystery is in the word "A 🌈 RAINBOW around the throne, in appearance like an emerald", which reveals the "twenty four elders sitting", which clearly conveys that the elders will soon in reality will be standing and singing the redeemed song of the Lamb from Mount Zion before the throne of God and falling down in worship casting their crown, as the Rapture will become a reality and not just remain a appearance after the mid-point of Daniel 70th week. How can we say that as REALITY SCRIPTURALLY? Because the only other time the "RAINBOW 🌈" was spoken by Jesus Christ is when he speaks about the successive Trumpets 🎺 of Seven which brings the Second Coming of Jesus Christ to the earth (Rev 10:1-11).

So what does the "Rainbow 🌈" signify in the last days, though the Great Tribulation will come suddenly anytime after the mid-point of Daniel 70th week, yet when Jesus revealed, "37 "But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 "For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 "and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 "Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 "Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 "Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming." (Matt 24:37-42), he was driving the message of grace and mercies of God that will bring the Great Tribulation as a birth pangs and successive Trumpets of the two prophets leading people to Repentance and receiving the Kingdom life even after the Rapture, but with the persecution and Martyrdom, because of the flood of 666 Mark of the Beast forced upon all the people of the world by Antichrist (Matt 24:8-14; Rev 11:3, 10), so that this will be different rather than like Noah's flood, where no one could come out of it even when they cried out to God for salvation as the 🌈 RAINBOW only appeared at the end of the deluge as a sign of God's covenant to the obedient 8 of the family of Noah only (1 Peter 3:20-22), as many who were DISOBEDIENT sons of God who died in the flood were preached the Gospel by Jesus after his resurrection, who also took them to heaven later from the righteous section of the Hades prison to the New Jerusalem City of God (1 Peter 3:19-22). Hallelujah! What a merciful God we have!

Thus the redeemed, that appears anytime after the mid-point of Daniel 70th week is revealed in Revelation 14:1-5, "1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God." The 144000 on Mount Zion standing with a Lamb, is the Church redeemed by the Lord Jesus Christ from earth, standing in heaven, rejoicing and singing the New Song of the Lamb. Revelation 14:3 says, "They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders;...", which portrays the Revelation 4th & 5th Chapter, to make sure to re emphasize that "no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth", that is, the Raptured Church in heaven before the throne of God.

Hallelujah!

So Revelation Chapter 4 & 5 describing the 24 elders, is a fast forward ⏩ in motion, a flash forward, a prophetic forecast of what is going to take place for the glory of God after the Rapture of the Church! Also the elders of the Church might be present in their spirit in heaven before the throne of God, before the Rapture (1 Cor 5:4; Rev 6:10-11).

Glory to God 💪🏽 🙏🏽 ✝️ 🔥

Thus the phrase "new song" appears twice in the Book of Revelation: first in Revelation 5:9 and again in Revelation 14:3.

1. The NEW SONG OF REDEMPTION IN THE EYES OF GOD BEFORE RAPTURE (Revelation 5:9)

In this passage, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders sing a new song to the Lamb (Jesus) in heaven. The lyrics praise Him for His sacrifice and for redeeming humanity from every nation.

Key Verse (5:9): "And they sang a new song, saying: 'You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.'"

2. The NEW SONG of the 144,000 AFTER THE RAPTURE (Revelation 14:3).

Here, a new song is sung before the throne by the 144,000 redeemed followers on Mount Zion. The text notes that this song is a profound heavenly mystery that only the redeemed can learn and sing.Key Verse (14:3): "And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth", now can be understood in New Dimension of the end times that God has planned for the Church, rather than blindly accepting the Pre-Trib unscriptural view of people, who take that out of context to even go to the extent of saying, If we leave the rapture of the church to the middle of the week..., you then have a problem with the 24 elders to deal with...Here it is, we have have not only dealt the 24 elders by the grace of God, but the Holy Spirit has consistently brought out the mystery key 🗝️ of the RAINBOW 🌈 JUDGMENT that the Lord in His grace and mercies will bring forth during the Great Tribulation of those days of JACOB'S TROUBLE. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ!

THUS THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WATCH AND PRAY THAT YOU MIGHT ESCAPE THE GREAT TRIBULATION THAT IS COMING UPON THE WHOLE WORLD THROUGH RAPTURE, THAT WILL HAPPEN ANYTIME AFTER THE MID-POINT OF DANIEL 70TH WEEK! GLORY TO GOD 🙏🏽



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